So what do you guys want to see from the new 5D?

Update: The new Canon 5D Mark III was announced last night and it available for pre-order right now and will be shipping at the end of this month I believe. I will do a blog post on it later today if I have time.

I’m really excited for the Canon announcement tonight. Not sure what it is, but everyone is thinking it is about the new Canon 5D Mark III.

I have used the Canon T2i for the past two years and I have really enjoyed using it, but I think I am ready to step up to a full frame camera. I am not alone, I can see on the forums that many are ready to step up to a full frame as well. Once I get a full frame camera then I think I will be investing in some nice glass.

I have some money set aside for a new camera and I am ready to pull the trigger. But in order for me to shell out $3,500 for a new 5D, I am looking for Canon to fix some of the following issues.

  1. Moire/Aliasing – this is the number one thing I hope they fix, I can’t tell you how many of my shots have been ruined by this. Yes, sounds like this will be improved.
  2. Headphone jack – this should be the easiest feature for them to add. I would love this for interviews so I can monitor the audio while I ask questions.  Considering that Nikon has already done this, my bet is Canon will have this too. Yes we now have a headphone jack.
  3. Tilt out screen – great for low shots. Nope, I was so wrong on this one.
  4. 1080 at 60fps – I don’t think this is going to happen, but I can be hopeful. Nope.
  5. Either improve the compression codec or provide a clean HDMI out – many people are saying that Canon is not likely to give us an uncompressed clean HDMI output because it will hurt their more expensive line of video cameras, I am guessing they are right. If they are not going to include this I am going to lean more to the Nikon D800 when it comes out. Better HDMI out, better CODEC, but no clean HDMI out.
  6. I hope they do not put a lock button on the mode dial. Bummer they added one!
  7. SD card slot, I know some don’t like the SD cards, but I think they work great. Yes!
  8. I hope they don’t make it hard to hack, I hope they allow Alex over at Magic Lantern to hack it so we can get things Canon will never give us like waveform monitors and such.
  9. More lenses with IS built in. Sounds like they are here already.

Rolling Shutter is not on this list – for my shooting style this is not a big of an issue for me, for people like Freddie Wong that do lots of action I can see this being a big one for them.

I added myself to the waiting list at B&H to review the camera, so I should be one of the first to review it that didn’t have a pre-production unit.

I won’t be the first to have a review out, because I plan to take my time and do a thorough review, I hope to review it against the Nikon D800 as well.

My Thoughts The Morning After the Announcement

First off and I probably don’t say this enough, I am just an amateur, perhaps an advanced amateur so take my comments as just that, from a non-expert or non-professional person. I’m speaking to the people that own a T2i, T3i you know the rebel cameras or even the people with a 7D or recent 60D. If you are like me you have used the crap out of your camera and you feel like you might take the next step up to a full frame camera.

Price

OK, if you like me, we need to first talk about price, $3,500 is a lot of money. Also the Nikon D800 another one I am looking at is $3,000 right now which is also a lot. I recently did a editing job that has paid about that amount, so I have the money, now I have to justify it to myself if it is worth it. I made a comment about price earlier and someone commented that the 5D Mark II started out at the same price. I didn’t know this, so I went searching an found this chart showing it started out at $2,700 in Dec of 2008. The price dropped to $2,500 about a full year later.

So if history repeats itself, perhaps I should wait a year for it to drop $800 to $1,000 and buy a good lens with that money I saved. I know it will be a couple month before I can buy because I am going to review it against the D800 a month from now, and it will be another month before I release my review. Perhaps by then Canon will get competitive and lower the price to $3,000 where the Nikon D800 sits.

For me I am just starting to get some work locally, and having a 5D of any type will make me look a lot more professional than my T2i. So I can see the new camera paying for itself pretty quickly, but the work might dry up so I need to make an educated decision on this.

For those who don’t remember I did a review between the T2i and the 5D Mark II last summer, in a well lit situation there was very little difference between the two, however in low light the 5D did much better. I’m hoping that the difference between the T2i and the new 5D will be much greater than before when I test it next month.

So is it worth $3,500 for amateurs, probably not. But if you feel your current Rebel is holding you back from getting a project and you feel your skill level is getting better, perhaps in a year when the price drops – maybe. Just have to wait and see how much better it will be.

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32 comments

  • I want that t-shirt you have I have not been able to find it. So when you are ready to throw it to the bin I’ll buy it….lol…regards…Oscar

  • All these would be great, but it would butcher their higher end video camera’s sales. I think we’re in for a world of disappointment.

  • I highly doubt we will get this, especially in the 5D lineup, but I would love to see some form of live timecode/time display on the video. It would make syncing so much easier!

    Another one I highly doubt we would get, but now that we have the speed of USB 3.0, I would like to see the ability to write directly to an external hard drive! It would be one less step in my workflow, and I would never have to switch cards during a shoot.

  • I still think that the hacked T2i will have MORE features than the new 5DIII.

    With Magic Lantern, nothing below $4,000 can touch the T2i.

  • My guesses:

    Moire/Aliasing – With new Digic5 sensor I say yes this will happen

    Headphone jack – I pleaded on another site today for the same thing…hopeful but not holding my breath

    Tilt out screen – Not gonna happen

    1080 at 60fps – ditto… no way they make this happen, as it would minimize 1Dx which does not have it
    Either improve the compression codec or provide a clean

    HDMI out – I say yes on compression improvement moving from H254 to 265, but no HDMI out … and I have heard that the new Nikon’s supposed HDMI out is not all that it is cracked up to be …

    I hope they do not put a lock button on the mode dial:
    No lock

    SD card slot, I know some don’t like the SD cards, but I think they work great:
    Yes dual cards CF and SD

    I hope they don’t make it hard to hack, I hope they allow Alex over at Magic Lantern to hack it so we can get things Canon will never give us like waveform monitors and such:
    Who knows on this … only the Magic Lantern Geeks probably have a good idea whether it will be hackable….but I will say …yes.

  • Why do schlubs like us need clean HDMI? I understand that it has some advantages on big productions but we web video types simply don’t need it. When I see comments about switching to Nikon simply because of that I have to wonder if maybe these folks shouldn’t be checking the batteries in their CO detectors.

  • @Mike the times I have need it for client work it has been an amazing tool to let others view the image with an external monitor. It would be even better if it was a clean full HD image.

  • Of course, Doug, I get that and I definitely see the need. But I don’t think it’s a deal-breaker, especially given the cost of jumping ship for this one single thing.

  • I agree on the moire issue. I bought my 60D to shoot some guitar lessons and strings really show up moire. I know this is less of a problem if at all with Videocams. Even when I shoot stills of my instruments 50% of time a close up of the strings will show moire.

    Do wish they’d fix that but I think its to do with the sensor.
    Rolling shutter is less of an issue for me too.

    I also wish Canon would get the software right, no point having the option to monitor via laptop if it freezes after 20 seconds. They said they would have a software update by Jan 2012, its now March.

  • Hi Dale.
    I just want to ask you a question. Can you tell me witch model of camera are you using to rec this video?
    regards
    David Luis

  • Dave: Since I already have money invested in Nikon glass I think I’m going to pull the trigger on the D800. I need to start the video learning curve soon. However, I’m sure your review/comparison between D800 and 5D Mark III will be invaluable to those on the fence. I may have to come out to Denver during your trial to help you out 🙂

  • Hey Dave.
    I would like to see you carry on using the T2i 550d once you get your Mk3.
    I have learnt so much from you and we don’t all have 3k to blow on a new camera.
    Grass roots is where you learn your skills and you are a master mentor in that.
    Keep up the good work my friend.
    Kindest regards from the UK
    Karl

  • Dave,
    I have been the wrestling with the same decision but, why wait a year. This will be a great camera. Canon has a lot on the line, look at the press attention. I see it as a $800.00 year of fun and wonderful images vs. a year of savings.

  • Hey dave could you do a review on lenses. I would like to see a comparison of low end to high end glass. I can’t tell them apart very well my self so a side by side shot comparison would be very helpful. like a Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 for $500 vs. the Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L for $1,400.

  • @matt that is a great idea and i plan on doing that more in the future, but I have a ton of other reviews to get to first. I would like to review those lenses after i get a full frame camera.

  • Hey Dan Dave
    About that editing job, just editing, not shooting anything? And If I may ask, how many work hours did you put into it?

  • @Dave when you do don’t forget all the cropped frame guys, show some shots from your t2i as well. so if I want the lens now but the full frame camera later i could see my investment with the camera progression. oh yeah and thanks you videos help me a lot. since I am coming from mini dv to dslr

  • Can’t see my way clear to upgrading from the 550D yet so I’m with Matt and Karl on this one, Dave.

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